In this episode of The UpWords Podcast, host John Terrill, executive director of the Stephen & Laurel Brown Foundation, has a conversation with Chi Ming-Chien and Victor Ho to discuss their entrepreneurial journeys, the intersection of faith and business, and the importance of community and culture in leadership. They explore the Bayview-Hunters Point neighborhood, the evolution of their understanding of risk and reward in entrepreneurship, and the unique business models they have developed to serve the common good. The conversation also delves into personal experiences that shaped their views on leadership, healthy organizational culture dynamics, and vulnerability's role in facing failure.

Chi-Ming Chien lives and works in San Francisco’s diverse Bayview/Hunters Point neighborhood. He is a member of Redeemer Community Church, where he leads worship and serves as an elder. He co-founded Dayspring Partners, a digital consultancy envisioned as an experiment in Christian business.

Victor Ho was co-founder & CEO of Fivestars, a FinTech startup focused on helping small businesses that emerged from God’s call to “business as a mission field."